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Post by vancreek on Aug 29, 2005 21:51:30 GMT -5
the day started out with two dogs down on the track,took about half hour to get it jumped,he started to swing around the lake and i thought i was right where he would cross,he ended up crossing half way between me and the road,i cut another dog in and a friend was down the road and turned in a couple,i headed over to where they were headed 7 miles away,15 by truck on the road and as i got there they were already past,so i headed up further where i thought they might cross,nothing,i waited,went back to where i heard them last and headed in,about a mile in i could hear them treed,i call my buddy on the fm and told him they were treed and i was going in to see,a nice boar,10 foot up in a popular he didnt seem to like the tree and i had asked my buddy to grab my video camara and a walker dog out of my truck,and any more dogs he had,i tried to keep him up but he bailed,my one walker locked up with him and he pulled him in,the other dogs grabed ahold and reinforcements arrived,he went up another tree 150 yards away and came right back down and the race was on again,they had him in a blow down when i got there and were really workin him over good,not giving an inch,he was putting to them dogs as well and i got in there with a club i pick up to help out the dogs,he bailed and went a couple hundred yards into another blowdown and by now the dogs were fairing better,i was sicing them on him but good and my buddy made that bay up and i was filming some footage,he bailed from there and went up the bluff and hit a tall white pine and went 30 foot up to stay,i gathered the dogs,leashed them up and figured i had better walk them to the truck and get the tracker to retrieve one dog who i had not seen since the last bay up,one dog had to be carried out,as we got out i seen my dog i lost hobbleing down to the road,he was darn near casterated,and and been hit on both shoulders,both hhind quarters as well as his inner thigh and groin,got him to the vet,stapled some others back up,put them on antibotics,and fed and watered them,not a peep to be heard of this morning,came home today and they were just moving about,went out to reset some baits and they were all out running their chains ready to go,to bad they are going to have to wait till at least thursday to do it again,any sooner and my vet might not be my vet any more,i told her i would lay them up till the weekend.hope you all have a good day,sorry its so long,hope to get a new digital camera to post pics,i broke the last one and my wife has not replaced it yet. jerry
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Post by Smiley on Aug 30, 2005 2:25:49 GMT -5
Thanks for the story , its alway nice when you can get in on races like that then you know why you feed them or why you should not feed them .Season starts on thursday but dont think I will be able to get out till sat . take care and hope dogs heal well.
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Post by rwh on Aug 30, 2005 9:53:01 GMT -5
VC...I just love that kind of dog work. Lots of guys will tell you they they don't want real aggressive dogs, but just think how your day would have turned out if those dogs held back about 20 feet and just booger barked. In my opinion bear hunting with hounds is not meant for the weak at heart.
Rich
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Post by vancreek on Aug 30, 2005 16:51:34 GMT -5
yeah man,i had a guy tell me that his dogs werent allowed to fight with a bear and he would sell any if they were like mine,i have tape of the bear i catch,he tells me how many he catchs but never takes pics,the bear always seems to bail when it sees him walking in,and he catches his dogs,i like the fact that when them dogs see me coming in they think they need to hold it so we can stretch it together,i dont believe i would want it any other way,i will staple them up or take them to be stiched if need be and happy with the way they are,lookin forward to the hunt rich,them flea bags were ready to go back out last nite but i am going to hold out till thursday.have a nice day. jerry
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Post by rwh on Aug 30, 2005 18:27:59 GMT -5
VC...might be worth your while to learn how to do stitches, and keep a vial of penicillian and some syringes on hand so you can combat infection after sewing them up. Those staples are expensive and even the heavy duty ones...in my opinion...are not as good as stitches. You can go to Google and type in "how to tie sutures" it'll give you lots of info. Looks to me like a square knot is the easiest to use based on my research. Haven't tried it yet however. One of my daughters works as a dental tech and she sent me some needles pre packaged with cat gut. Maybe we'll get in some practice while your here. Our nearest vet is 50 miles away so there's times we got to take matters into our own hands.
Rich
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Post by tico on Aug 30, 2005 20:01:58 GMT -5
Hey great story v.c.! I 've never been on a bear hunt but sounds alot like hog hunting. Dogs getting stapled and all...lol I see you prefer the grittier dogs..I do too. I like for my bay dogs to bay really tight and make a hog sit down if you know what I mean. I dont like them to be to gritty were they'll catch. I use a bulldog for that. In my opion alot of good trail dogs are lost this way but I know folks who love a traildog to catch they dont want a bulldog. That leads me to asking another question.... Do you ever use a catchdog on bear? I know.. it sounds suicidal but is it possible? I mean I know once the catchdog gets there all the other dogs jump in as well to help out. The damage to the one indisual dog being less if he were to go at it alone.
Tico
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Post by rwh on Aug 31, 2005 7:04:35 GMT -5
Tico...I see vancreek didn't get a chance to respond to your question. So, I'll jump in with my 2 cents worth. Many years ago I had an airdale/hound cross that was super gritty. Only problem was he could never make the long races. One time he got onto a wounded bear in a thick clear-cut by himself. Lucky for him I was right behind him with a .357 Ruger in my hand. He had a hold on the bear when I got in there...the bear's mouth was wide-open and in the process of chomping down on his head. Aside from that...I hunted a couple dogs here that were experienced hog dogs. One held back on bear in thick cover. The other was a natural born bear baying dog. The one that held back was known to have held a 400 lb. boar hog with just one other dog. I had a Plott dog named Cascade Rooster that acted different than a catch dog...it was like he was on springs, and was always diving in and out to bite. He also gave a lot of hard chop mouth when he wasn't nipping. He lived to be 11 years old. The only place a bear ever cut him was on the front end. I'm going to express an opinion here that'll likely tick some people off, but it is my opinion and I earned the right to say it. Breeding in coondog abilities into big game strains of bear hounds has polluted the genetics and is producing too many dogs that'll inhale a coon on the ground, but do not have and never will have the guts to consistantly catch bear. I do not know of any hound breeder in this world that's producing gritty bear dogs consistantly. If there is such a breeder someone please give me their phone number. One dog can make a whole pack look good, so those that don't follow their dogs real close and see them as an individual when the "chip's-are-down" assume too much.
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Post by Smiley on Aug 31, 2005 10:41:41 GMT -5
Rwh , I have been hearing that Steve Mohr "URSUS " plotts is breeding those type of dogs consistantly . I will be spending some time this september just to see if they have a heads up on some of the other lines . I totaly agree that one dog can make a whole pack shine . And for Tico , a dog just cannot treat ( most bears ) like they do hogs , bears just have to much dexterity and can get to the dogs unlike a hog . A catch dog on bear would a shorter life that they would on hogs . But I also believe that more dogs get torn up by hogs .
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Post by rwh on Aug 31, 2005 10:53:38 GMT -5
Smiley, hope you'll let me know what you see from those dogs.
Rich
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Post by vancreek on Aug 31, 2005 21:12:09 GMT -5
tico,these bear can cover an aweful lot of realestate before being caught,i have had some pitbulls,out of old indian bolio up till this last year,although,the idea is to put so much pressure on that bear as to make it tree,when they dont tree,you need to anchor it so that you can get in and harvest it during kill season,once the bear would get on dog down the others should be pulling and baying on the back side causeing it to turn and the same would happen again leaveing no alturnative but to tree,i dont think i want to try and tie a bear and bring it out alive,i dont think my life insurance would pay off,and i think you would need at least 3 dogs to hold it ,since it uses all 4 paws and its jaws have no problem snapping brones it could get quite costly. rich,i think i could tie stitchs just like sewing carpet together,i have a large supply of antibiotics,some ivs i believe i need some of them small needles,and some surgical cleanser which i will try and get before i come up.got tommorrow off and going for another while om on a streak.good luck and happy hunting,these gas prices here are 3.50 and 3.29 is the cheapest i bet they raise it before the weekend. thanks for the replys.jerry
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Post by tico on Aug 31, 2005 21:50:53 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies fellas. Great post rwh...thank you. As vancreek mentioned "how you would need at 3 dogs to hold it". I was just wondering if their are folks who do hunt this way and have they had success? Also if there were dogs that have developed a strategy and catch smart As a hog hunter we look for dogs that dont just go in there and catch the hog blindly clampping down were he gets a hold. We like dogs that know how to run into a hog. Coming in from smart angle and knowing how to work the hog once caught.
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Post by Smiley on Sept 1, 2005 2:14:56 GMT -5
I will do RWH , The plan is to be hunting with the guy this coming weekend . We will see.
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Post by rwh on Sept 1, 2005 6:38:18 GMT -5
Smiley, Wishing you great success in your hunting.
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Post by Smiley on Sept 1, 2005 11:39:04 GMT -5
You to RWH , hope the rest of your season goes real well .
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