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Post by miyote on Jul 17, 2006 20:29:50 GMT -5
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Post by Houndmomma on Jul 17, 2006 23:43:58 GMT -5
Those are fantastic pictures!!!
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Post by rwh on Jul 18, 2006 17:33:48 GMT -5
Miyote...nice photos! We get em here too, on Lake Superior, Although I got hunch you have much better fishing than we do. Something happened to our lake trout and salmon around Ontonagon. From spring until now very few fishing being caught. Gill nets taking their toll, but it seems like there's more to the problem than that.
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Post by redneckfireman on Jul 18, 2006 19:51:24 GMT -5
Hey RWH I live on Lake Huron and we seem to be having the same problem as you. The DNR is blaming it on zebra muscles not sure how but they are clearing the water. Which is causing the sun to reach deeper and keeping the plant life from growing. which in turn is keeping the bait fish population down. But I know that they are not stocking the lakes like they used. So what have you heard
redneckfireman
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Post by rwh on Jul 19, 2006 18:13:09 GMT -5
Hey Redneckfireman...thanks for the info on what's happening in your area. Most of us do not look for any meaningful explaination from the Michigan DNR. They have failed to manage our resources, aside from their pet project with wolves. It's been a few years since smelt were plentiful in the area...and that's one important food source. Maybe it's part of the reason. Historically, rainbow trout from Lake Superior used to make a major spawning run in the Union River. It was a tourist attraction. Individuals with part indian heritage gill netted them so heavily they no longer show up with any degree of significance. These same individuals are currently running several miles of gill nets in the area, too. Surprisingly, I like a lot of the local part-indians and count them as friends. I do not object to them harvesting resources for their own use...I just don't understand why it needs to be legal for non-indians to buy fish and game harvested from our state. Cut out the commercial market and save our resources!
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Post by miyote on Jul 19, 2006 21:15:24 GMT -5
fishing had been real slow here also till about 2 weeks ago and it has really picked up now.tons of bait fish,top to bottom the graphs are black,mostly alewife's.the indians starting netting whitefish here about 4 years ago and they started putting them right in the main salmon grounds and its starting a war here.they have sunk boats caught in there nets now and they are taking tons and tons of fish out of here and selling them.they could have put these nets any where and they put them right in the main salmon grounds which is a nice shelf everybody trolls that holds fish,cant go in or out they stay right on the shelf and you cant do it anymore without getting into the nets.i about sunk my boat last year was well outside the markers and got into one of there abandoned nets that they just cut loose and leave and the state dosent make them take them out,had to cut all my lines and my riggers to save my boat,was about a $500 trip that night,needless to say i wasnt a happy camper.i was in alaska a couple years ago and its about all indians up there and we had a tour guide that was one driving our bus and between sites he kept whining to us about how the goverment was trying to take there heritage away by not letting them net fish like there ancestors did and just kept going on and on and finally i just got sick of it and let into him and told him i would personally promise the goverment wouldnt say a thing to him if he went out in his canoe and caught all the fish it would handle and all the fish his family needed to eat like his ancestors did,but all the history books i have read i have never seen anywhere that they had these big trollers netting tons a fish a day trying to get rich selling them.if you want to talk about doing stuff like your ancestors then do it but dont make it out like what they did and what you are doing is any where near the same.he turned around and never said another word about fishing the rest of the trip.
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Post by rwh on Jul 20, 2006 5:34:25 GMT -5
Miyote...definitely a disturbing situation. Seems like the U. S. Coast Guard should/would have authority in dealing with hazards to boating. If your congressman has a backbone, maybe he could get the coast guard involved. Like you, I got hung-up in an unmarked abandoned net years ago. Snapped off 2 booms on my Big Jon downriggers. Too bad the Michigan DNR, NRC, and MUCC are mute on this issue.
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Post by miyote on Jul 20, 2006 15:46:36 GMT -5
yes it sucks.my boss at work is also 2nd in comand at the ludington coast guard station and he says there is nothing they can do,they have nobody governing them but themselves and nobody else can touch them
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Post by rwh on Jul 20, 2006 18:05:32 GMT -5
Miyote...guess I should have realized it's too political for our government to do the right thing and enforce safety on the great lakes.
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